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Rear end still feels awful !


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#11 raynkar

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Posted 06 March 2021 - 09:47 AM

What condition are these brackets in?

They are notorious for rusting to the point of collapse.

 

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Posted 06 March 2021 - 01:25 PM

My 2.2 Ghia had self levelling suspension.

Not had the rear alignment done, it could be as simple as that? Changes with the
weight of the rear end could be alignment movement due to the weight.

One of the works reps had rear tyre wear issues where they set the alignment
virtually every service yet it still chewed tyres. Turned out he always took the
car in with an empty boot and then overloaded the rear end with all his junk.

Had the alignment done with the boot full and no more uneven tyre wear.


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I best get a 4 wheel alignment booked and see if that helps,,
Defo no self levelling suspension even on catcar it just says special suspension which I assume is just lowered,,,

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Posted 06 March 2021 - 01:32 PM

What condition are these brackets in?
They are notorious for rusting to the point of collapse.

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Thanks Ray that is the bracket and arm things that I can’t get too to check,, they look rusty but then again so does everything under the car ,,, I wondered if these could be the problem also,,, the 4 arms that come off the subframe are or seem to be solid as I unbolted them to aid getting the shocker in/out.

May have to get under again and have another look,,
Are these available too buy like the arms???

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Posted 06 March 2021 - 01:43 PM

Couple of points.  Having just watched the above video, kinda interesting.  However, I exchanged my sub-frame bushes with poly some years ago and did not remove the subframe.  Removed one bolt and loosened the other on one side, until I could get a  socket between the frame and the body.  Then used a jack to lift the sub-frame which pushed the bush out.  Pretty much as he has done, but without removal.

 

Two came out easily, two did not in that the rubber was left behind and I had to hot knife and abrade it off.  Inserting the polys was easy, assisted with a bit of washing up liquid.

 

Then took it for a rear wheel alignment, which brings up the second point.

 

Most alignment shops are cowboys and will tell you that the Mk3 does not have rear wheel adjustment.  Lies!!!

 

The two rear bolts on the suspension arms are concentric; where they attach to the sub-frame, there is rear wheel  adjustment.


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Posted 06 March 2021 - 02:03 PM

 

What condition are these brackets in?
They are notorious for rusting to the point of collapse.

4494B9B4-75AE-4DF3-94B1-8CD63D1AC0F8.jpeg


Thanks Ray that is the bracket and arm things that I can’t get too to check,, they look rusty but then again so does everything under the car ,,, I wondered if these could be the problem also,,, the 4 arms that come off the subframe are or seem to be solid as I unbolted them to aid getting the shocker in/out.

May have to get under again and have another look,,
Are these available too buy like the arms???

 

I’ve seen people buy these brackets recently from Ford, and they were £18 each from memory.

Some owners have seen them literally rust away so that the arm wasn’t actually connected to the bracket.


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Posted 06 March 2021 - 07:38 PM

Thanks so much everyone I’ll have to get the arse end up again and check everything again plus I’ll look into all the things you’ve advised,,
Ray eBay £22 (genuine) each roughly on there and £50 for the 2 arms (aftermarket),,
The bolts that are concentric I’m guessing will be absolutely rusted so will need to purchase some and replace.
£33 for poly bushes seems reasonable
Thanks again gents I’ll keep you all posted although it could be a while before I can do anything unless something falls off or breaks 😂😂

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Posted 06 March 2021 - 07:57 PM

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When I told the guy about the rear wheel adjustments bolts, he was reluctant to adjust as he maintained they are so rusty, they may break.  Possibility, but they are very substantial bolts, so unlikely.

 

I got home and gave them a wire brush job, WD40, had a cuppa and went to work on them.  They actually released surprisingly easy as it was only the exterior that was rusty.  Cleaned them up, put them back and went for the rear tracking.

 

Was again told that the MK3 does not have rear tracking and I told them it does.  He had a look, told me he had never seen that before and did not want to break the bolts.  It took a bit of convincing to pursuade him that all would be hunky dory.  Basically, don't take 'it can't be done' for an answer.

 

In the diagram, 7, 8, and 9 are the adjusting bolt, washer and nut.

 

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Posted 07 March 2021 - 12:03 AM

Thanks so much everyone I’ll have to get the arse end up again and check everything again plus I’ll look into all the things you’ve advised,,
Ray eBay £22 (genuine) each roughly on there and £50 for the 2 arms (aftermarket),,
The bolts that are concentric I’m guessing will be absolutely rusted so will need to purchase some and replace.
£33 for poly bushes seems reasonable
Thanks again gents I’ll keep you all posted although it could be a while before I can do anything unless something falls off or breaks

Febi sell the nuts used on the rear end, exactly the same spec as the Ford ones but cheaper, they also sell the eccentric bolts.

 

The bolts that go through the tie arm brackets are incorrectly listed on Catcar/Zap. Look up the drawings for the estate, as they show the correct bolts for the saloon/hatch.


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Posted 07 March 2021 - 07:11 AM

Cheers mate I’ll have a look and I’ll also see if I’m lucky enough that they move,,, is it best to turn the nut rather than the bolt to free them up,,, if I turn the bolt will that actually alter the alignment?? Just asking as i can only work on car on Sundays so would have to run around for a day or so until I could get it in for alignment

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Posted 07 March 2021 - 09:38 PM

if anyone is considering replacing the bushes for original bushes, they come in front and rear varieties so don't just buy 4 of the same


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