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Advice needed for a 1994 Fiesta


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#1 plasticpenguin

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Posted 28 May 2019 - 10:12 PM

Hiya all.

 

I've owned a few classic fast Fords in the dim and distant past, but not for a couple of decades.

 

Anyhoo, a pensioner from my village has asked me to sell his 1994 1.3 Fiesta Sapphire (this is not a sales pitch), due to health reasons he's had to give up driving.

 

After taking his cherished Fiesta for a test drive I instantly noticed a 'tapping noise' from the engine, thankfully not a knocking sound. Otherwise the car seems mechanically sound.

 

Could anyone give any indication what the tapping sound could be? Obviously it's the tappets but not sure if that engine has an overhead cam or not.

 

Any pointers and advice would be appreciated.

 

Thank you, PP.



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Posted 29 May 2019 - 08:52 AM

this will certainly be the tappets. the engine in it is, basically, the same old 1.3 engine fitted to mk1 escorts! many garages just cant be hassled to set them so they get neglected. that said, even when they were done right, once they had a few miles on them, they were never particularly quiet!

 

also, if you decide to set them, make sure they are set to the correct specs. ford changed the specs on them to reduce the rattle but found that they started to burn valves/seats when unleaded fuel came compulsory, so had to widen the gaps on the exhaust valves to prevent this. from memory they should be 0.2mm inlet, 0.5mm exhaust (or 0.008" inlet, 0.012 exhaust in old money)


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Posted 29 May 2019 - 10:49 AM

this will certainly be the tappets. the engine in it is, basically, the same old 1.3 engine fitted to mk1 escorts! many garages just cant be hassled to set them so they get neglected. that said, even when they were done right, once they had a few miles on them, they were never particularly quiet!

 

also, if you decide to set them, make sure they are set to the correct specs. ford changed the specs on them to reduce the rattle but found that they started to burn valves/seats when unleaded fuel came compulsory, so had to widen the gaps on the exhaust valves to prevent this. from memory they should be 0.2mm inlet, 0.5mm exhaust (or 0.008" inlet, 0.012 exhaust in old money)

 

Thank you.

 

Wasn't sure whether the 1994 model were adjustable or not.

 

Like most older cars set the tappets one way or the other too much and this could cause potential harm.

 

Cheers for that.



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Posted 29 May 2019 - 04:45 PM

Has it been serviced?  Some think its old and not going to spend money servicing it

because its not worth that much.

 

Service may cost more than the cars worth.


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Posted 30 May 2019 - 08:18 AM

Has it been serviced?  Some think its old and not going to spend money servicing it

because its not worth that much.

 

Service may cost more than the cars worth.

No. I'm going to service it myself: Plugs, oil filter and sump, new ignition leads. I always change the oil on my cars.

 

Whatever you spend you need to set yourself a realistic budget and keep to it. However, given it's an early Sapphire model, with no rust it's a rare little beasty. So I'm hoping that'll add a few extra pennies.

 

One of my two current cars is incredibly rare for its type, and the price on that is starting to climb nicely. As always with any car, it's only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it.

 

I'm not in the car trade so I'm having to suck it and see.



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Posted 30 May 2019 - 09:35 AM

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this will certainly be the tappets. the engine in it is, basically, the same old 1.3 engine fitted to mk1 escorts! many garages just cant be hassled to set them so they get neglected. that said, even when they were done right, once they had a few miles on them, they were never particularly quiet!

 

also, if you decide to set them, make sure they are set to the correct specs. ford changed the specs on them to reduce the rattle but found that they started to burn valves/seats when unleaded fuel came compulsory, so had to widen the gaps on the exhaust valves to prevent this. from memory they should be 0.2mm inlet, 0.5mm exhaust (or 0.008" inlet, 0.012 exhaust in old money)

 

Thank you.

 

Wasn't sure whether the 1994 model were adjustable or not.

 

Like most older cars set the tappets one way or the other too much and this could cause potential harm.

 

Cheers for that.

 

yes they are adjustable in the 1.3. in fact that engine stayed around (in the ford Ka) for a good while after that! well past 2000 i believe


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Posted 31 May 2019 - 10:02 AM

 

 

this will certainly be the tappets. the engine in it is, basically, the same old 1.3 engine fitted to mk1 escorts! many garages just cant be hassled to set them so they get neglected. that said, even when they were done right, once they had a few miles on them, they were never particularly quiet!

 

also, if you decide to set them, make sure they are set to the correct specs. ford changed the specs on them to reduce the rattle but found that they started to burn valves/seats when unleaded fuel came compulsory, so had to widen the gaps on the exhaust valves to prevent this. from memory they should be 0.2mm inlet, 0.5mm exhaust (or 0.008" inlet, 0.012 exhaust in old money)

 

Thank you.

 

Wasn't sure whether the 1994 model were adjustable or not.

 

Like most older cars set the tappets one way or the other too much and this could cause potential harm.

 

Cheers for that.

 

yes they are adjustable in the 1.3. in fact that engine stayed around (in the ford Ka) for a good while after that! well past 2000 i believe

 

Wasn't aware the same engine is fitted to the early Ka.

 

The last couple of days has been raining so, hopefully, I'll get underneath it today and do an inspection to make sure everything is in sound condition.



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Posted 03 June 2019 - 10:18 AM

Would anyone have an idea how much a well-sorted 1.3 Fiesta Sapphire in Sapphire blue be worth on the open market? It's got genuine 81k miles and was MOT'd in April 2019.

 

It needs a few little things doing to it, but need to work out and give the owner feedback as to whether he wants to go ahead and sell it.



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Posted 03 June 2019 - 07:07 PM

Some stupidly priced on ebay...  But checking the sold items £500 seems about average

for a low miles car in good condition.  One did sell for £1000 but all original and less

than 40k miles from new, never welded and never failed an MOT.


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Posted 03 June 2019 - 11:15 PM

Some stupidly priced on ebay...  But checking the sold items £500 seems about average

for a low miles car in good condition.  One did sell for £1000 but all original and less

than 40k miles from new, never welded and never failed an MOT.

 

Okay. Thanks. At least that gives me a ballpark figure to work on. Let's see what the old boy wants to do.






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