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Upgrade DW10C (2010.09->) 140 to 163 HP by Elmconfig & IDS

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If you are the lucky owner of a 2011 (Facelift) 2.0 TDCi and also have an ELM327 and IDS/VCM interface then you can upgrade your 140 BHP to 163 BHP with Fords own FW.

Actually the FW for the 140 & 163 is the same and just a couple of bits tell the ECU that is has to use the maps for the 140 resp 163 engine.

First you need Elmconfig and a modified ELM327 interface (google this or check Mondeo MK4 electrics subforum for links)

Read you config from BCM and save a copy on you computer.

Then change the parameter for the Engine (page 2 elmconfig Central Configuration tab) to 2.0 I4 150PS Diesel DW10C Stage V , this is 1 step above the 140 PS engine.

Write back the central config to both IPC and BCM (ignore all flashing lights and errors on dash) with the new engine parameter set.

Fire up IDS och start new session.

After antering all needed data on the first page under the menu where you perform service function you will find possibility to do service functions for the PCM.

This is the same place where you can reset DPF counter , EGR , MAF and so on...

Almost at the bottom of this page is a function called write Central config to PCM... run this and you will now have a 163 PS car :)

Do a faultcode scan of all modules and reset all DTC:s

You maybe get a IPC dtc saying central config missing , just do a read of the config with IDS and write it back as sometimes elmconfig can corrupt the config in the IPC but this will be sorted by IDS.
 
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Good Info.

Only issue for most would be access to ids. I know how can buy a genuine interface but subscriptions are pricy. One guy on a forum has one for his independent workshop and Ford wanted 1300 quid to renew for a year's access.

Handy tip if anyone has access to ids though. Never knew that both configs were actually stored on the car.

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#3 · (Edited by Moderator)
You can buy good cloned VCM II in china that work for module programming for about 300 $ , it´s still a lot of money but well worth it. And the latest IDS that will work (cracked) is V86 and actually this version want to program BG91-14C204-DM calibration for PCM that is the latest and actually gets rid of most of the jitterness while cruising , except between 1450-1550 rpm but the 100 rpm span can be easily avoided by shifiting up or down....

It´s easy to prove that both 163 and 140 uses the same file..

open etis.ford.com

Look at this VIN (140) : WF0GXXGBBGAR07772 (my car)

And compare with this VIN (163): WF0EXXGBBEAG28833

Look under : vehicle -> vehicle software -> summary

Check the PCM SW part number tab and you will see both cars left the factory with : BG91-14C204-DE s.w
 
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#13 · (Edited by Moderator)
I'm trying to find parts catalog for mondeo to compare turbine part number for 140 and 163HP version.

If the turbines are the same i don't see why it wouldn't work without any drawbacks.

Mazo said:
AKMan said:
I've just checked the etis and mine is DW10C.

How is it possible that there is no physical difference between 140ps and 163ps engine?

Are you guys sure about this?
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The same way chip tuners can push extra power out of the engine. It's just a different ECU map.
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That's not the same, factory maps and chip tuners ones. I don't see manufacturer tuning their cars to the point of reducing it's lifespan significantly while the same is probably done by the backyard garage tuners.
 
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#14 ·
AKMan said:
I'm trying to find parts catalog for mondeo to compare turbine part number for 140 and 163HP version.

If the turbines are the same i don't see why it wouldn't work without any drawbacks.

Mazo said:
AKMan said:
I've just checked the etis and mine is DW10C.

How is it possible that there is no physical difference between 140ps and 163ps engine?

Are you guys sure about this?
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The same way chip tuners can push extra power out of the engine. It's just a different ECU map.
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That's not the same, factory maps and chip tuners ones. I don't see manufacturer tuning their cars to the point of reducing it's lifespan significantly while the same is probably done by the backyard garage tuners.
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It can and likely will be the same. Both maps are stored in the PCM already. Just because the torque band is pushed up by 500rpm doesn't mean Ford are sacrificing lifespan. If you're pushing the engine to the max then yes of course it is. Plenty of manufacturers sell detuned engines though.
 
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#15 · (Edited by Moderator)
I've checked the turbine versions in 140 DW10C and 163 DW10C and it's the same thing. One of the reputable services also confirmed that the engines are mechanically the same.

Now, just to find someone with the equipment and experience to do the upgrade for me.

Etis says:

PCM

Assembly part no. BG91-12A650-FGD

Software part no. BG91-14C204-FGD

Can that one be changed?
 
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#16 ·
AKMan said:
I've just checked the etis and mine is DW10C.

How is it possible that there is no physical difference between 140ps and 163ps engine?

Are you guys sure about this?
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The higher-power engine will have slighty worse fuel consumption, and higher CO2 figures, both of which matter to fleet buyers, it can make a significant difference to company car taxation in some places. The engine will be designed to cope with the higher power, and just "detuned" slightly for different business segments. Manufacturers used to do it by playing with carburettor and jet settings, now it's all electronic, but the principle is the same. It allows them to easily offer a wide range of models for different customer requirements.
 
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#18 ·
No, and I doubt if you be able to do this properly with elm anf IDS, best way so far is UCDS.
 
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#19 ·
You can do this with IDS and elmconfig. UCDS just does the same thing in 1 script.. UCDS cannot do something Ford didnt build in.. the commands sent to pcm and ipc/bcm has to be supported by the units itself. So dont listen to people just talking... UCDS way is cheaper if you dont already have a good 100 % VCM clone
 
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#20 · (Edited by Moderator)
No, there is not one script unfortunately, is not just one click as you may think. I did spoke with people who was do this with UCDS on very early stage where there was no procedure clearly stated. I only said that is easier and safer with UCDS. When I spoke with one guy from other forum (who repaired few bricked ecu's) he told me that do this with elmconfig and IDS it's very easy to brick ecu.
Btw. I'm not selling UCDS cable, I own one and I done this procedure several times and never had any problems. If you want to try with elmconfig and IDS you are free to do that, nobody will stop you, with your own car you can do whatever you like.
And forgot to mention, in those days IDS is very limited, if you used early versions you will know what is the difference, so at this moment unfortunately or fortunately UCDS got more abilities than IDS and some functions cannot be done with IDS but can be with UCDS.
 
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#22 ·
Compare to what was few years ago in IDS unfortunately it is limited, even with engineering code and fully activated. Best example : try activate acc with IDS...
I will make easy for you, simply no chance...
With elmconfig or UCDS 5 min and job done.
Try activate autolock with IDS- again no chance as ford remove this option from IDS, in earlier versions you could edit xml file and was possibility to have this option in IDS now no chance.
With elmconfig or UCDS 2min.
I could do that all night, but there is no point, I will keep saying that for most things other software is better than IDS, IDS is only good for some kind of dealer procedures, where some of them are already available in UCDS ;)
 
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#26 ·
Hope it's OK to resurrect this thread?

I just got a 2012 S-Max 140 and would like to do this. I'm wondering if I should be getting CAN cable, ELMconfig, Forscan, VCM, IDS etc and/or UCDS in general (hence I started a general thread in the diagnostics section) but also specifically for this mod - is there a concensus on whether UCDS is now the way to go for this, or ELMconfig/IDS?

I understood from the UCDS forum that doing this with the electronic handbrake, which I have, left a residual error code in the handbrake module - would the ELMconfig/IDS method in the OP here have the same issue? Maybe it's solved now for UCDS method anyway?

Any help appreciated.
 
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